Distances and topology


• When it is suggested to define a notion of distance by “counting the intermediate diagrams nodes”, it is evident that a few precise details are needed.

By thus simply proceeding, in order to describe a (massless) photon arriving on the Earth while coming from a “far away” galaxy, one would be led to a photon having travelled through a null distance (within a null duration), that is not what is usually taken as reference.

• One may propose to think by analogy with the measure of an usual object constituted with atomes : its length may seem to us well defined at our macroscopic scale, but may seem rather “fractal” when one looks at a smaller scale. It is therefore necessary to define how to “get the microscopical limit”.

Particularly, the definition of the “physical” derivatives is obtained for small variations leading to zero... without leading to zero : it must be specified how far the “limit” is considered.

• Coming back to the counts on the diagrams, it is perhaps necessary to take as well a kind of mean (may be a “lower limit”) within the set of possible diagrams connecting two events, but it is probably necessary for this to define a “weighting” in the mean (or a way to consider the limit), which constitutes more or less the definition of a neighbourhoods filter, that is to say a topology.

The suggested weighting might be based on a measure like Levin's one, using Kolmogorov's complexity [1], or on the methods used to describe the flows in production lines [2] or the interactions in the networks [3].

The metric then possibly proceeds from the topology, but less likely the inverse [4, 5, 6]. What I fear then, is that the complexity of the mathematical problem would prevent any immediate solution. Indeed, although my mathematical knowledge is rather relatively strong for a physicist (when I considered to found a research work in theoretical physics, I had in anticipation reinforced my basic mathematical knowledge), I feel that the approach of this problem is so different from what has been used previously that it could require either a fantastic mere chance (a physicist who accidentally encounters the needed mathematical tools), or a solution by a high level mathematician (knowing a wide set of tools and curious to take interest in the physical application of more “abstract” theories). Bad luck, it is rather late for Grothendieck [7]. One might also think to someone like Gregori Perelman, able to intrust himself with a complex project without excessive inclination in hope for rewards [8], but this kind of persons is by nature little accessible (if you meet him, tell him to look for possible interest in my divagations).

• Thus, one may consider that the ”neighbourhoods” of a mouving particule would not be the same that those defined for the “propagation middle” (this with respect to what one considers that the particule is mouving) and that this kind of “topological Doppler effect” would globally appear in the form of Lorentz's transformation (or its generalization for an accelerated motion).

• Moreover, as the different kinds of particules dont interact in the same way, they probably dont “see” space with the same topology/metric : only an unified theory of interactions would lead to a single metric.

Peculiarly, I am rather inclined to think that gravitation is nothing but what remains, seen from afar, when one considers the whole others interactions compensating each other by mean. I am here induced to consider general relativity, finally, as an approached macroscopic theory whose metric is not at all appropriate to describe the microscopic level.

• Whether concerning general relativity or the quantum theories describing interactions within a renormalized “vacuum”, some approaches indeed seem to indicate that the integrability of the equations derived from macroscopic theories would not be independent of the conformal invariance of the underlying micoscopic phenomena [9].

• Finally, it would be perhaps interesting to search for an approach of the problem founded upon the method of path integrals [10]. Starting from the action A, the integration   K(xfin, tfin | xin, tin) = chemins  over all the possible paths leads to a difficulty if one considers theses paths in a space supposed previously existing. It would be useful to resolve the reverse problem : to found a space (interactions network ?) where to “integrate”, such as would disappear the divergences connected to quantum theories. Perhaps should we have then the surprise to be lead to an inexpected space, may be of an intermediate nature between the countable infinity and the continuous one [11].

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References :

1. see as example :  “La complexité mesurée...”, J.P. Delahaye, Pour la Science n° 314, december 2003.

2. see as example :  “L'algèbre des sandwichs”, G. Cohen, S. Gaubert and J.P. Quadrat, Pour la Science n° 328, february 2005.

3. see as example :
“Étude des réseaux par la physique statistique”, A. Barrat, M. Barthélémy and A. Vespignani, Bulletin de l'UPS, n° 212, october 2005 ;
“Vivre serein dans un monde cruel”, J.P. Delahaye and R. Dorat, Pour la Science n° 346, august 2006.

4. if, starting from the set theory, one tries to build a geometry at the “elementary” level, one is lead to associate a notion of “straight line” with a propagator connecting two vertices ; the main part of the reasoning stops as early as one considers the axioms of order on a “straight line” : there is no other point but the two vertices and the “geometry” which follows from this is too rudimentary to be really useful ; it seems therefore that one would rather have to build the geometry at the macroscopic level on the basis of a new understanding at the elementary level ; some similar difficulties had been moreover evoked as early as Euclide, about the a priori that might be understood by some of it's axioms ; see as example :
“Foundations of geometry for university students and high-school students”, R. Sharipov, fr.arxiv.org/abs/math/0702029, february 2007 ;
“Les avatars de la rigueur mathématique”, É. Barbin, Pour la Science n° 356, juin 2007.

5. this may also involve some less usual structures like the pretopologies, or even a couple of pretopological structures respectively connected to the sources and detectors devices ; see as example :  “Les mathématiques des frontières floues”, S. Dugowson, Pour la Science n° 350, december 2006.

6. this may moreover put as much critical questions as mathematicians are previously circumspect about problems such as those connected to the axiom of choice (independently of the physical use of mathematics) ; concerning the applications, it seems to me that the sole existence of Banach-Tarski's paradox involves the redhibitory feature of the strong form of the axiom of choice in so far as to describe physical space at usual scales, more especially as the weak form associated with Lebesgue's measurability leads to mathematical properties which are sufficient enough to do that (and that it may be moreover considered to add some more axioms) ; on the other hand, it is not evident that the judicious set of axioms should be the same for the description at the “elementary” microscopic scale considered here (from which rises the interest for the matematicians to continue to work unpre-judicially on the different possibilities) ; see as example :  “Coloriages irréels”, J.P. Delahaye, Pour la Science n° 328, december 2005.

7. see as example :  “Grothendieck : au fond des choses”, A. Hobeika, Pour la Science n° 334, august 2005.

8. see as example : “Un mystérieux mathématicien pour une complexe conjecture”, C. Dumas, sciences.nouvelobs.com/sci_20060818.OBS8690.html, august 2006.

9. see as example :  “Les mille et une facettes de l'intégrabilité”, D. Bernard and P. di Francesco, Pour la Science n° 336, october 2005.

10. see as example :
            wikipedia, http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intégrale_de_chemin ;
            lessons by C. Cohen Tannoudji, http://www.phys.ens.fr/cours/notes-de-cours/cct-dea/index.html.

11. see as example :  “Imaginer l'infini, ou le découvrir ?”, J.P. Delahaye, Pour la Science n° 370, august 2008.




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